Baptism and Church Membership

In the past, I’ve explored the baptism debate on my blog. A friend of mine, Nathan Pitchford, has 4 excellent articles covering almost all sides of the debate. He started out defending Baptism from a Reformed, Covenantal perspective, but went on to retract his position and affirm a paedobaptistic view. I summarized that view as clearly as possible in an attempt to hone in on the real areas of dispute.

Many a Baptist would roll his eyes at my attempts to understand the other side. What’s the point? I’m sure that would have been my view, back when I was a dyed-in-the-wool strict fundamentalist. Of course our view is right, its historical (think Trail of Blood, here)!

Even after coming to leave strict fundamentalism and embrace Calvinism, I still had much skepticism over any non-Baptist view. So I wasn’t prepared for the dramatic results of entering the debate. I quickly learned that the Reformed paedobaptistic view has a lot of Biblical support. This is apparent when you understand the view from their perspective. I also learned that much of my “unshakable” arguments were actually irrelevant. Paedobaptists affirm the need for adult converts to be baptized, the question surrounds what to do with the children of believers. Pointing out NT examples of adult conversions does nothing to address the debate.

Through the whole exchange I gained an appreciation and respect for Bible-believing, thoughtful paedobaptist brothers. And I was prepared all the more to agree with my pastor, John Piper’s contention that baptism should not be an issue to divide Christ’s church over. It should be a big deal to refuse someone membership into the local church. Church isn’t about being on the same team or membership in a club — its about recognition of membership in the Body of Christ. My friend Nathan has some strong arguments that an even more dramatic unity should be pursued, than that for which John Piper was calling for. And I do agree that believers in today’s specialized world take for granted the full array of choices for the Western church-shopper.

Piper advocated a compromise of sorts. Elders would need to affirm an explicitly Baptist confession of faith, but believers who conscientiously held to a Bible-based understanding that paedobaptism is valid, would be allowed into membership, and only after having submitted to a meeting with an elder who would try to convince them of the Baptist view. In this way, a Baptist church could affirm the salvation of fellow believers who differed over this point of what is a valid baptism. And a similar position was held by none other than John Bunyan, one of the most famous historic Baptists.

The proposal was rejected by our church, at least at this time. There is hope of its being revived and accepted in the future, perhaps. What I found interesting at the time, was reading Wayne Grudem in his Systematic Theology propose something very similar to what our church was considering. He also pointed to the Evangelical Free Church which has a similar compromise in place at a denominational level.

I am writing about all of this because Grudem recently revised his section on the Baptism question with regard to this issue, effectively taking back his previous proposal. Justin Taylor posted the reworded section on his blog recently. Today, John Piper responded with a rebuttal to Grudem’s reversal.

I think the issue is worth considering, and if you haven’t explored the issue you should. Baptists particularly have been extremely divisive on this issue and have probably been guilty of shameful ill-will toward fellow believers. But of course historically, the Baptists have been maligned and worse in years gone by!

If you are interested in understanding the paedobaptist position, you should really read Nathan’s articles. The comments are a virtual debate that for the most part stays very charitable, and extremely insightful. Also, I recently read an 11 part series on the Reformed view of Baptism which specifically interacts with the Baptist position by Drake Shelton of Post Tenebras Lux. His articles are actually a quick read, and the first few provide an excellent case for sprinkling/pouring as the Biblical understanding of baptizo. If you are rolling your eyes again, you better check them out — they really are quite convincing!

If you’re wondering, I am still a Baptist. But I view the issue as much less definitive, and have planned to do some serious reading on this issue in the future. For the sake of growing in your appreciation of other believers in Christ, I would urge you to consider the matter. We may not see eye-to-eye on some of the issues this brings up, and that’s okay! But I encourage you to study and perhaps enter a discussion in the comments below.

With that in mind, you might be interested in reading the Mark Dever’s thoughts on the matter (accessible here), at the conclusion of an address establishing John Bunyan’s open membership views.

UPDATE: I have a question: How far removed is the open membership question from the open communion question? The New Hampshire Baptist Confession of 1833 affirmed: “Christian Baptism is the immersion in water of a believer… that it is prerequisite to the privileges of a Church relation; and to the Lord’s Supper…” Is not the historic acceptance of open communion among Baptists not an historic support for an open membership view?

UPDATE #2: Grudem has responded to Piper’s rebuttal. (You may also be interested in the comments here on Justin Taylor’s blog).

2000

2000!

Congratulations to Don Fields (of World from My Window) for leaving the 2000th comment on my blog. This is my 352nd post, and I have had more than 2000 genuine comments now!

Of course this doesn’t count the spam. I’ve personally deleted many spam/offensive comments over the years, and since July of 2006, Akismet, the spam-guard feature of WordPress, has deleted close to 20,000 spam comments here.

Anyways, I thought it would be fun to celebrate the big 2,000 mark! I guess that is testimony to my blogging interaction ability (recently awarded). I praise God for many fruitful discussions, and even for the challenging and sometimes negative feedback. The blog has been a blessing over the last 22 months. I’m looking forward now to my official 2 year anniversary on November 22nd (the first real blog post, and the start of my official blogging).AddThis Social Bookmark Button

Presbyterians on Fundamentalism

Some of you may have missed this. Rick Phillips and Carl Trueman commented on BJU-style fundamentalism on Reformation 21’s blog [Phillips’ initial post, clarification#1, clarification #2, Trueman’s post, Phillips’ response — all these are quite brief, BTW]. Sean Lucas, of Covenant Theological Seminary, followed up with some reflections of his own [post 1, post 2], as one who graduated from both BJU and Westminster.

I don’t have much time right now to comment much on the discussions, but there is plenty of food for thought there. Rick praises fundamentalism deservedly, while Trueman and Lucas make sure we beware of errors which are especially prone in fundamentalism.

And on the heels of this discussion, Bob Bixby discusses what he sees as the “emerging middle” — a coming together of conservative evangelicals and “young” fundamentalists. His article is also worthy of attention.

I agree with much that is said by the Presbyterians from both angles, and I’m hoping that Bixby is right. With that said, what do you, my readers, think of these discussions? A penny for your thoughts!AddThis Social Bookmark Button

"Here Is Love" by Steve & Vikki Cook

It’s been a while since I featured a modern praise song here. As regular readers of my blog know, from time to time, I share a particularly good song. I stick to modern praise songs because they are so often spurned or ignored among fundamentalists and other conservative evangelicals. Yes there is a lot of fluff out there, but there are some excellent and worthy songs which we should not hesitate to use. Many of these songs are suitable in a variety of accompaniments or styles, too.

Many of my favorite modern worship songs are produced by the folks at Sovereign Grace Ministries. Apparently, in the intervening months since the last time I highlighted one of their songs, SGM has updated their website. This makes it easier to find songs and music samples, etc. But this means I have to update all my old links. 🙁

If you aren’t familiar with SGM’s music, you really need to be! They are producing some of the finest, Christ-centered, doctrinally rich, tasteful music out there. Sometimes they simply rework an old hymn. I have highlighted songs from Sovereign Grace Ministries here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. (Hover your cursor over the “here”s to distinguish which “here” it is!)

Steve and Vikki Cook did a wonderful job in reviving the old and forgotten hymn “Before the Throne of God Above“. And they struck gold again with “Here Is Love”. They added a chorus, changed some of the words, and melded parts of the third and fourth stanzas into a single third stanza. They wrote a new melody, and the result is a beautiful song.

Here Is Love

music and extra lyrics by Steve & Vikki Cook
lyrics by William Rees

Here is love wide as the ocean
Loving kindness as a flood
When the Prince of Life, our ransom
Shed for us His precious blood
Who His love will not remember?
Who can cease to sing His praise?
He can never be forgotten
Throughout Heaven’s eternal days

On the mount of crucifixion
Fountains opened deep and wide
Through the floodgates of God’s mercy
Flowed a vast and gracious tide
Grace and love like mighty rivers
Poured incessant from above
And Heaven’s peace and perfect justice
Kissed a guilty world in love

Oh how marvelous, oh how glorious
Is my Savior’s love for me!
Oh how marvelous, oh how glorious
Is my Savior’s love for me!

Of Your fullness You are pouring
Your great love on me anew
Without measure, full and boundless
Drawing out my heart to You
You alone will be my glory
Nothing in the world I see
You have cleansed and sanctified me
You Yourself have set me free

 © 2002 Sovereign Grace Worship (ASCAP). Sovereign Grace Music, a division of Sovereign Grace Ministries. From the CD All We Long to See.

To hear a sample of how the song sounds, click here. To download a free guitar sheet, transparency sheet, or even the musical score (“lead sheet” is actually a free musical score with the words included), click here. To hear an original tune and learn more about the original hymn, click here. To order the CD from Amazon (and support my site) click the image to the right. To learn more about the CD and to sample it, click here.AddThis Social Bookmark Button

Minnesota Bridge Collapse & Thinking About Tragedies

Last night, while we were gathered at a local park with fellow church members from our church, we were informed of the bridge collapse on I-35W in Minneapolis (which happened at 6:05pm Central time). As most of you should know, we live in St. Paul, MN and so the bridge tragedy struck close to home. In fact the bridge was just blocks away from our church’s downtown campus.

So I can thankfully say we are all just fine, and unaffected by the collapse. I had relatives call me last night (my parents in Africa had even heard about the collapse and called us before we could get back home from church) and 2 blogging friends email me to make sure we were okay. It is nice to know that people care about you, in times like these.

Considering this tragedy, with 7 people dead and 38 or so more injured (as of the time of this writing), I thought it would be a good time to rehash how Christians should view such tragedies. And I can do no better than to direct you all to go read my pastor John Piper’s personal thoughts about the tragedy. For further reading, you can read what I wrote about the Virginia Tech shootings if you like.

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