My 219 Epiphany

Have you ever had an epiphany? A moment when the lights come on…almost literally? I’ve had only a few, and one such moment surrounded an important verse in 1 John: chapter 2, verse 19.

Before I explore my epiphany, let me provide some background. As most of you know, I grew up attending strict fundamentalist churches. And while they sure inculcated us with an understanding of what good fundamentalists did or did not do, they were not always so clear on doctrine. “Theology” was almost a bad word. “Seminary” was always castigated by being referred to as a “cemetery”. But this is not to say that no important doctrines were stressed.

We learned the basic truths of the Gospel, and the bigger doctrines of the Bible: the nature of God, the Trinity, the Deity and Incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Eternal State, along with a heavy dose of pre-trib eschatology and dispensationalism. Yet oft times the messages were fairly shallow.

In such an environment I remember learning two important doctrinal truths. We as Christians are eternally secure and you can’t work your way to salvation. In my soulwinner’s New Testament I compiled lists of verses proving eternal security and also disproving works salvation, and I did my best to use them. I knew my Assemblies of God relatives were very wrong on these issues, for instance.

In some of the circles we were in growing up, there was an overemphasis on salvation being simply a moment in time when one prayed to be saved. As a teenager, when my family travelled around to raise support to go to Africa as missionaries, I remember encountering several different churches where they would push for multiple “salvations” each time people went out soul-winning. Thankfully, such was not the practice of our church. And I am sure my dad never aimed to produce numbers, for numbers’ sake alone.

In my older teen years, I became fairly familiar with David Cloud’s Way of Life Bible Encyclopedia, and I began educating myself more in the way of doctrine. I learned why Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists were wrong, for instance. And I was further bolstered in the doctrine of eternal security and against the doctrine of works based salvation. And at Bible college, thankfully, I was further taught that a “quick prayerism” model of salvation was wrong. We were taught the importance of repentance, and also warned that many fundamentalists were minimizing its importance.

Yet still in this environment, I did not really have an answer to the scenario of someone who made a seemingly genuine profession of faith, and had stuck around for a while, but then drifted away. Some wouldn’t drift but they’d wilt. Yes preachers would often push for people to examine whether they had truly been saved or not, but somehow this always came across as making sure you had “said the right words” or were “sincere enough” when you initially “got saved”. Since my profession of faith happened when I was 4 years old, I was often trying to remember what exactly occurred on that day, to be sure it was a genuine profession.

This issue, of false professions of faith, was not really discussed much, that I remember. As I learned more about repentance, I found myself spending lots of time in my gospel presentations making sure everything was clear and that the person knew about everything I could think of before I led them in the sinner’s prayer. I came to eventually stop using the sinner’s prayer and just ask the person to pray on their own, too.

Something else, however, went with the environment I was in to stilt my thinking. It was assumed that there would be many “nominal” Christians. We were always encouraged to press on and become a “super” Christian, of sorts. No one really connected spiritual growth with genuine salvation. It was more or less connected with will power and character. We were encouraged to “just do it”. To do whatever it takes to get up early and be in the Word. And at times it was easy to get burned out as I strived to make myself do the things I felt I should.

Then we moved to California and were introduced to a ministry which prized expositional preaching. This was a completely new thing to both of us. And as we were fed, something kept coming up in the messages. Scripture assumed that true Christians would behave like true Christians. Scripture assumed that if conversion was genuine, then growth was inevitable. And then one day, the pastor pointed us to 1 John 2:19.

The light came on. I had an epiphany, and I began then to understand some things which eventually moved me to affirm Calvinism’s doctrine of the “perseverance of the saints”.

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Sorry to do this to you, but you’ll have to stay tuned until next time for the rest of the story. Tomorrow, hopefully, we will look at what 1 John 2:19 says and how it reshaped my thinking. I am expecting to finish this tomorrow, but it may take one more installment. We’ll see. Go to Part 2.

Like Hearts

Just a quick post here. This week in an exchange of emails with one of my readers, a phrase was brought up that has stuck with me. The gentleman mentioned that so many people strive for “like-mindedness” but what is most important is “like-heartedness“.

I tend to agree. Certainly if we are like-minded we can have more cooperation and greater fellowship, with each other. But there are many issues about which we will never be totally like-minded with anyone! But we can be like-hearted.

We can agree to hold to different positions on lesser issues and yet still acknowledge that we share a similar heartbeat. And if our hearts are pointed in the same direction, we should be able to have meaningful fellowship, even if our heads get in the way at times.

Since starting this blog, I have encountered many different people. And I have found that even when I differ with some on mind-issues, I can appreciate that their heart is pointed in the right direction. Early on I found that I needed to tone down my posts and acknowledge that there are many fundamentalists who are like-hearted with me. And many from even the more “hyper” circles have right hearts.

Scripture asks us and demands us to maintain the unity of the Spirit with fellow believers. We should yearn for such unity and look for the good hearts in people, even when our minds might be contradictory. Hopefully as fellowship continues a greater like-mindedness will develop. But ultimately it isn’t important if you agree with me, or if I approve of your distinct positions on any number of issues. What matters is that God approves of our hearts, and that we don’t disown and malign fellow believers.

By all means stand for truth. And defend your positions. (You know I will!) But please listen for the heart of those whom you may be quick to condemn. Let us all  strive for like-heartedness! [Oh, and take a moment and look up the verses supporting my motto  in the top right sidebar]

A New and Improved "About This Blog"

I am finished editing the “About” page for this blog, so feel free to check it out. That basically finishes my editing work for now. The move to WordPress is now complete!

I have decided to post the “About this blog” section as a separate post below. I think it is my clearest attempt yet, at being specific in my critique of fundamentalism. It also discusses IFBx*—the label I give to the branch of fundamentalism I came out of.

About This Blog

This blog, being about me, is the place where my thoughts and views are expressed. But you already knew that.

Okay, so let’s begin with my blog’s name. Maybe that will clue you in as to what my blog is about.

Fundamentally Reformed. It means I am a reformed fundamentalist, as in no longer in the fundamentalist movement. It also means that I am one who now embraces reformed theology. In fact, my blog’s subtitle is “reforming fundamentalism (IFB) through reformed theology”, and so yes, I believe that reformed theology could reform many in fundamentalism.

Right about now it is important to define some terms. First, when I speak of fundamentalism I speak of independent Baptist fundamentalism (IFB). Some equate the term with Muslim extremism, while others with evangelical theology or Christianity in general. Neither of those definitions work.

Secondly, I need to give some of my background so you know from what “branch” of fundamentalism I came from. The fundamentalism I came from is often termed IFBx (extreme fundamentalism). I think the definition fits, although I tend to think an asterisk is called for. My alma mater, for instance, is not into the blatant man worship and ultra traditionalism which permeates those who rightfully own the IFBx label. They find Scriptural reasons (using sound hermeneutical methods, for the most part) for the standards and positions they adhere to. In fact, I am thankful for the emphasis on Scripture and a serious devotion to Christ that I inherited from this branch of fundamentalism.

It is the positions they hold and how tenaciously they hold them, which makes that branch of fundamentalism extreme. Some of the positions they hold, such as KJV onlyism and the teaching that women should not wear pants are extreme in the sense that there is so little clear teaching in Scripture which demands these positions. The few verses claimed to support them have other obvious interpretations available. Yet only one interpretation is allowed. Other positions which may have a larger Scriptural support, are held in such a way as to say that only their own interpretation is correct. If one is not pre-trib rapture, or if they hold to less than conservative music style, or if they hold to any form of Calvinism, they are not only wrong, but worthy of censure and separation. The broader movement of fundamentalism might limit fellowship to some degree over these issues, but they do not “write off” those who hold differing views to the extreme degree that IFBx fundamentalists do.

A further consideration here comes with regard to the extreme emphasis on loyalty and allegiance to personalities. IFBx fundamentalists view any departure from their list of required positions as compromise and disloyalty. This sector of fundamentalism also places an undue emphasis on authority. Any questioning of a position, however sincere and non threatening, is viewed as an attack and a threat to the leader’s ministry. Such a situation begs a complicit adherence to the authority’s list of do’s and don’ts and facilitates an unhealthy separation of external conformity and internal heart worship. With such a stress on outward conformity, it is easy to seek to gain acceptance by men while neglecting the matters of the heart. While the particular circles of fundamentalism I came from were not as extreme in this regard as other IFBx groups, they still hold an undue emphasis on loyalty and conformity, which again puts them as IFBx* in my book.

Within this branch of fundamentalism, there is no liberty to contemplate changing one’s positon on a point or two. Any capitulation from any small point is seen as a departure from fundamentalism en toto, and in reality a departure from the faith! Thus, any break from this branch of fundamentalism (at least a break made by someone who was whole-heartedly embracing all of the points to begin with) is necessarily very dramatic and often final. It also results in much pain in the one leaving. When one emerges from extreme fundamentalism, they do so with a lot of disorientation and a feeling that they will never fit in anywhere ever again! More than doctrinal positions and standards are left behind, one’s very identity is left behind. In a lot of ways, it is very similar to leaving a cult.

So having experienced all the difficulty and agony involved in contemplating leaving and actually leaving, including problems with family and friends, I wanted to hear of other’s experiences on the web, or to connect with some people to help me through this situation. I did not find much out there that dealt with this at all! So I started this blog to provide a place to deal with such issues, personally (by chronicling my journey and putting my rambling thoughts on all these issues down on paper), and to hopefully help others. I wanted to facilitate those who suspect that there are problems with fundamentalism but do not know where to look in Scripture for answers with a forum discussing the shortfalls of fundamentalism.

This blog, then, aims to help others who are in their own journey within fundamentalism. The blog may help some leave fundamentalism totally. And it may give some needed help and support to those who already have left (or who choose to). It might also give others some perspective and help in leaving the more extreme corners of fundamentalism and settling into a more balanced wing of the movement. Let me be clear, I do not necessarily want to get everyone out of fundamentalism. I think the movement still has some value and there are many who are doing a great job in calling for reform. Sharper Iron, for instance, represents many different strands of reasonable fundamentalists who share a balanced perspective, a wariness of traditionalism, and a desire to save the movement.

So with all the above having been said, let me briefly mention some of the topics this blog discusses. I don’t harp on fundamentalism with each post. I discuss reformed theology, Calvinism, and covenantal theology often, and I include some devotional and general interest posts. I do discuss fundamentalism, separation/unity, standards, as well as specific issues like KJV Onlyism, and Music. And I like to highlight some of the newer music written today which has great and Christ-glorifying lyrics. While I like to practice armchair theology and talk about books and recommended articles and such, many times I merely reminisce about my own past or peculiar eccentricities of fundamentalism. I also share family and church news. In short, my blog contains a wide array of interesting topics. (Hey, I think what I write about is interesting, doesn’t everybody?)

Finally, let me link to a few posts from the past which can help you get a sense of the mission and direction of this blog, and of my particular take on fundamentalism. But before I do, let me state one more obvious thing. The best way to learn about this blog, is to read it!

  • This post gives an introduction to blogging for the uninitiated
  • This post lays out my commenting policy
  • This post highlights my ultimate aim in all of my blogging
  • This post and this post clarify my critique of fundamentalism
  • This post explains my motto (“Striving for the Unity of the Faith for the Glory of God”)
  • And finally, this post is my original “about this blog”, kept for posterity’s sake.

∼striving for the unity of the faith for the glory of God∼ Eph. 4:3,13 “¢ Rom. 15:5-7

Will You Be Having Some Wine?

Ps. 104:15 About six years ago I took my future wife out on our first OCD (off campus date). We were at Olive Garden and at our own table (which was a big deal back then :)) and this suave waiter walks on up and presents us with a bottle of wine. He asks, “Will you be having some wine?” I quickly replied to my wife’s chagrin, “I’m not old enough but she is!” Flustered, Carolyn declined the wine and gave me a look. It was her 21st birthday, and drinking wine was the farthest thing from either of our minds.These days, I am still not much of a wine drinker. I am slowly developing a taste for it and experimenting with all the options. But at times it still shocks me to think that I am actually allowing alcohol to pass through my lips. Any such drink was the biggest taboo, growing up. It was just assumed that the only Biblical position was absolute and total abstinence.During a period of a few years, while I was beginning to slowly register conflicting opinions and doubts concerning my fundamentalist beliefs, I began coming across verses concerning wine which amazed me. I kept a running list, even before we made our break with fundamentalism. A professor at college had even argued that alcohol for medicinal purposes was clearly condoned by Prov. 31:6-7 and 1 Tim. 5:23.

Judg. 9:13 After changing our positions on many of the extreme fundamentalist beliefs I was raised with, I was even more open to the potential (which at that point seemed likely based on my ever growing list) that the Bible allowed for the moderate use of wine and alcoholic beverages. But still several months went by without a determination to even give alcohol a sip. I say this to reitirate that drinking alcohol was no special desire of mine. Tee-totalism was just normal, as both of our families and extended families for the most part do not drink.Two events moved me to have some wine, however. First, I came across some blogposts written by a blog friend of mine, Matt Fitzsimmons. They were well written, and adequately defended in the comments (check them out here & here). That discussion brought my list back to mind. By this time I was completely convinced (having been quite familiar with tee-totaller arguments for some time) that the Bible not only permitted but encouraged the moderate use and enjoyment of wine and alcoholic beverages. Further I had been convinced that many of the “wisdom” arguments against liquor had equally convincing counter arguments and further “wisdom” arguments levied against them.Still I remained dry. But a month or so later I was asked what I thought about alcohol by a cousin of mine. He actually married into the family as I did, and we both went to the same college (even sang on a men’s quintet together). Our discussion was overheard and the fundamentalist in-laws grew livid! Well not exactly, but there was quite a commotion for a usually soft-spoken bunch. Further conversations with Nathan led to my being given some flavored beer. He also gave me some research he had compiled–a list of all the verses referring to alcoholic beverages in Scripture, along with a few articles. Reading the articles made me even more convinced that wine is to be viewed as a good gift from God. Who was I to snub my nose at God’s gift and say, “No, thanks, God. I am better off without that.”So, I determined to partake of alcoholic beverages to God’s glory. And to this day I conscientiously seek to honor God and thank Him for the wonderful gift of alcohol. By no means am I an experienced drinker yet. But I have experienced the joy God intends for us through this refreshing means.Enough about me, what about you? Will you be having some wine?

I am writing this because of stumbling onto several blogposts on this very subject. The Southern Baptist Convention just recently passed another resolution condemning the “use” of alcohol. Not the “abuse” but its “use”. This has sparked several blog objections and a few have caught my eye. Below I am listing some links for you to peruse. I also mention a few things I have learned recently through these blogposts. But before I send you to these links, take the time to read my first post defending wine entitled “‘Wine to Gladden the Heart of Man’: Thoughts on God’s Good Gift of Wine”.

Cheers!

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∼striving for the unity of the faith for the glory of God∼ Eph. 4:3,13 “¢ Rom. 15:5-7

A New Banner for a New Motto

Fundamentally Reformed

Note: the banner above used to adorn my Blogger blog. As of July 16, 2006 I switched to WordPress.com.

How do you like my new banner?? I have been toying around with redesigning my template, but being not all that HTML savy, I have opted for merely adding this banner. The banner highlights my new motto, “striving for the unity of the faith for the glory of God.” I give five Bible verses in support of my motto:

Eph. 4:3 “…eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”

Eph. 4:13 “…until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,…”

Rom. 15:5-7 “May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.”

These verses stress that God desires us to be in unity. Moreover, “the unity of the Spirit” and “the unity of the faith” result in a unity of praise from God’s people.

The purpose of my blog has been to promote unity. And by the grace of God this will continue.

Now some might say, “How can Bob truly be promoting unity when he continually rants and raves about the errors of fundamentalism?” Well, first off, make sure you understand exactly where I am coming from in my critique of fundamentalism. If you do not want to read my extremely long (sorry :)) personal story, at least read this post and maybe even this post. And do not neglect to read my earlier clarification post. But beyond what I have said previously about the issue, consider this. My concern over fundamentalist doctrinal and practical errors, is really a concern for more unity in the church. And unity is by no means at odds with doctrinal clarity.

Let me explain. Although I believe that the fundamentalists often inflate the importance of minor doctrines at the expense of unity, I still think it is important to promote the importance of minor doctrines. I think it is so important that much of this blog discusses them. The more we agree on minor doctrines, the better our practical unity will be. Yet we still share a huge degree of unity with those who may disagree with us on some clearly minor issues. Why? Because we share agreement the most important and fundamental doctrines in Scripture! For a better defense of this, see Nathan Pitchford‘s latest article on unity–he does a masterful job presenting how unity and doctrinal precision are not at odds.

Now, why am I so hung up on fundamentalists? I mean Evangelicalism has its fatal flaws too. I know, but I was raised a fundamentalist. Thus, I know their flaws, and want to see them fixed. Further, too often fundamentalists seem to cushion themselves from any personal evaluation due to their loud defaming of evangelicals. Often such loud speech merely covers for problems equally appaling of their own.

In conclusion, I have brought forth this new motto to stress the fact I am promoting unity. I think fundamentalism–even its best representations–practically distorts unity. It is a hindrance to unity. Yet I want to realize that fundamentalists–all of them–are my Christian brothers, with whom I have real unity (whether they {or I} acknowledge it). So this banner will help me remember to disagree and fight for doctrinal truth in a loving way. The previous subtitle I had, was more of an explanation of my blog’s title. “Out of the fog of independent fundamental Baptist extremism, into the light of Reformed Theology–a journal.” This clued you in on the nature of this blog, and what kind of topics I would discuss. This is still valuable and so I have kept it as a title for the banner–hover your cursor on the banner, and you should see that line. Yet, I think it brought a connotation that I was all out to bash IFBs or something. This is not the case, as this post has labored to explain.


∼striving for the unity of the faith for the glory of God∼ Eph. 4:3,13 “¢ Rom. 15:5-7