John Piper on Small Groups and Perseverance

I’m getting ready to pick up my series on man-centered Christianity (see posts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) again. And I thought highlighting what my pastor, John Piper said in a recent message would help move us back into thinking about perseverance, eternal security, and God-centered Christianity.

Every year Pastor Piper preaches a message in the Fall, encouraging us to get involved with small groups. And as is often the case, this year, his text was Hebrews 10:19-25. You can read the printed version of the message here, as well as easily find links for watching or listening to the message online, or even downloading it (for free). What follows is an excerpt (transcribed imperfectly by me) from that message dealing specifically with the doctrine of perseverance.

…toward the end of the age, when the day [of judgment] draws near… [meeting together in small groups] will be essential increasingly. Have you ever thought about that?…

The Bible says that in the last days there will be times of great difficulty… it’s not going to get easier to be a Christian, it’s going to get harder to be a Christian. So what’s your plan for staying a Christian?

Or do you have this cavalier lackadaisical, eternal security thing that you can just live like the devil and do whatever you want and you’re gonna’ go to heaven no matter what. That’s not the biblical doctrine of eternal security. The biblical doctrine of eternal security is that the evidence that you are eternally secure is that you’re following the biblical means to stay safe in Jesus. And He’ll keep you—[for] those [in] whom he began a good work, He completes the good work. Yes, He will and He’ll do it by putting you into the kind of groups that will sustain your faith.

So, I take this real seriously: that as the day comes, the need for being together in mutually praying, mutually ministering, mutually encouraging groups goes up not down. Don’t think, “Oh the end’s almost here. Quick, Lord Jesus come! And I’m just holing up in my basement, or wherever.” Don’t hole up—unless you hole up with 8 or 10 other people, and of course if 8 or 10 people are there, then the Holy Spirit’s gonna’ move and you will learn that you don’t hole up. You go out and risk your lives to testify to Jesus.

To that I say amen! I encourage you to listen to the entire message. And more importantly, to get involved in small groups for the sake of your perseverance in faith!

A Call to Stand

I apologize for the scarcity of posts around here of late. It’s been a very busy few weeks and on top of it all I can’t shake this cold. I thought I would at least highlight the recent Desiring God Conference, although I’m sure many of my readers know of the free audio/video from it already.

Recently we’ve been discussing Man-Centered Christianity and specifically the doctrine of perseverance. This year’s Desiring God Conference which ended Sunday, was devoted to that same theme.

It was entitled “Stand: A Call for the Perseverance of the Saints“. Randy Alcorn, John MacArthur, Jerry Bridges, John Piper, & veteran missionary Helen Roseveare were the speakers. And all the messages and panel sessions are now available online for free. You can view message summaries or download the audio or video of each message. You can also listen/watch online. Just click here, for access to all the messages.

If you’re interested, all the messages from the Desiring God Conferences (2003-2007) and the Bethlehem Baptist Conference for Pastors (1988-2007) are now available online for free at DesiringGod.org. Just click here for a complete listing of Conference titles, with links to the messages.

Eternal Security: Perseverance or Preservation?

previously in this series–part 1, part 2, “The Sinner’s Prayer Problem” (part 3), part 4

This is my fifth post in a series on Man-Centered Christianity. Like post #3, this is an excersus or an aside. In the last post, I explained that the Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) view of eternal security has contributed to the spread of man-centered Christianity. In this post, I want to develop my view of eternal security a little further, before moving on.

There was a time when I had a list of verses in my soul-winner’s New Testament, which “proved” eternal security. Chief among them was John 10:28 (KJV) “And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Of course I still uphold this verse–it is quite precious. Jesus preserves His own. We are preserved, yet it is through faith (1 Pet. 1:3-5). God doesn’t preserve us apart from our faith (which is a gift from Him, actually).

The question in the title of this post is a little misleading. It isn’t perseverance or preservation. It’s both. The OSAS view majors on the one over and against the other. The Biblical position, in my view, is that God preserves us, but all true believers will persevere. And further, believers must persevere.

In discussing this, let me delve into a few passages at some length. Hopefully that will help explain this teaching, as well as validate it. (I know just how foreign this can sound to sincere, Bible-loving, yet steeped-in-tradition, people!)

1 Corinthians 9:23-10:14

I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings. Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

I want you to know, brothers, that our fathers… all drank of the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. Nevertheless, with most of them God was not pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did…. We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer…. Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come. Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall…. Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.

If you didn’t read the above verses, please go back and read them. A clear theme should emerge. Serious sin, has eternal consequences. We know from Hebrews 3 & 4, that the people referred to as “overthrown in the wilderness”, were actually not elect, they were unsaved–full of unbelief. Paul uses their example to warn professing believers, including himself. We should all take heed lest we fall, especially if we think we stand. Notice also how specifically the OT people are said to have followed Christ, and put Christ to the test. This is not some stretch for Paul, this example fits us, who also follow Christ.

With this context, the ending verses of chapter 9 take greater focus. See how Paul is doing all things for all men, so that he “may share with them in [the gospel’s] blessings”? The blessings of the gospel are in view with the prize that we run to obtain. Again, the wreath (or crown) we are running to obtain is imperishable. The fierce concern Paul has to obtain this crown argues that it is not some optional extra, not merely “rewards”, but imperishable life–the blessing of the Gospel–itself. Notice also the word “disqualified”. Every other use of the word in the New Testament (Rom. 1:28; 2 Cor. 13:5,6,7; 2 Tim. 3:8; Tit. 1:16; & Heb. 6:8) is in the context of people apostasizing from Christianity altogether. The word was translated “reprobate” in the KJV. It carries the meaning of not passing the test. In the immediately following context, we should expect to understand that test not as one to see if we get an optional crown, but a test to see if we do not get “destroyed by the Destroyer”.

Philippians 3:7-14

But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith–that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Notice the forceful and clear language here. Paul is saying he is suffering and fighting and giving everything up in order to gain Christ. This is not to gain extra rewards, or a more intimate knowledge of him. But Paul is presently counting everything as loss (notice the Greek present tense in verses 8ff., this connotes continual action) “in order to be found in him” with the righteousness that comes from God. That sounds like salvation. Notice also his words in vs. 11: he is striving if at all possible to “attain the resurrection from the dead”. Paul does not presume that because of past successes he certainly will reach the resurrection. He holds out the possiblilty that he might not make it at all. This is why he works so earnestly.

He could have said, so I might attain extra wonderful rewards for me. But he didn’t. He is saying he is working otwards the final consummation of his salvation. And he reitirates and stresses this point. “I haven’t already obtained this”, “I’m not already perfect”, “I am pressing forth to make this my own”, “I press toward the goal of the upward call”.

1 Timothy

For a fascinating study, trace each occurrance of the word “faith” in 1 Timothy, and see what Paul’s message about faith is, in that book. Consider his primary exhortations are for Timothy to have a “sincere faith” (1:5):

This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. (1:18-19a)

But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called…. (6:11-12a)

O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. (6:20-21a)

Do OSAS people talk like Paul does in saying “take hold of eternal life”? “Fight the good fight of faith”! Some might, but most don’t. They view saving faith in the past tense. Other kinds of faith are needed for victory, and other optional Christian experiences, but the fight of faith, whereby we lay hold on eternal life, doesn’t make sense in that theology.

And if that doesn’t make sense consider how often Paul, in this one epistle, stresses that people can depart from the faith.

  • people swerve from “sincere faith” (1:5-6)
  • Hymenaeus and Alexander “made shipwreck of their faith” (1:19)
  • “in the latter times some will depart from the faith” (4:1)
  • those who don’t provide for their family have “denied the faith and [are] worse than [unbelievers]” (5:8)
  • certain widows’ passions might “draw them away from Christ” leading them to “[abandon] their former faith” (5:11-12)
  • The craving of the “love of money” leads some to “[wander] away from the faith and [pierce] themselves with many pangs” (6:10)
  • some follow after so-called knowledge and thus “[swerve] from the faith” (6:20)

Against this backdrop of teaching, Paul’s words in 2 Timothy carry new meaning:

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. (2 Tim. 4:7)

1 John 2:19

This brings us to the key to this whole issue: 1 John 2:19.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

This verse is explicitly teaching us how we are to view those who depart from the faith–those who had faith, but unlike Paul, did not keep it. Well-meaning Arminians point out the warning passages in Hebrews along with many of the passages I’ve discussed in the last couple posts, and conclude that such persons have lost their salvation. But 1 John 2:19 speaks differently.

John tells us those who leave were never truly “of us”. They weren’t genuinely saved. Paul told the Ephesian elders that from themselves, wolves would spring up (v. 29-30). It is not that lambs became wolves, but that the wolves had “crept in unnoticed” (Jude 4). Jesus told of those who had professed Christ, but of whom Jesus said he “never knew” them (Matt. 7:21-23). Jesus didn’t know them when they were saved, and then forget them. He didn’t drop them out of his hand (John 10:28). He had never known them.

Hebrews 4:9-16

To conclude, let’s look at Hebrews 4:9-16. The context is similar to 1 Cor. 10. The hard-hearted Israelites are in view, and the author of Hebrews has told us they did not enter into the promised rest, due to their unbelief. Now here is our text.

So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword… Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses… Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Notice how “the same sort of disobedience” is potentially possible for us. So we need to strive to enter that rest. Yet such striving is really a resting from our works. This is all possible because of the Word–our Great High Priest. We can come for mercy and help. We have a throne of grace, to run to.

The race set before us, was already run by Jesus. We keep our eyes on him (Heb. 12:1-2). Perseverance means we need to keep going, keep trusting, keep depending on our Savior. We never give up, we don’t presume that we’ve arrived. We keep our nose in the Book. And when we are near the point of despair because of our sin, we run to throne of Grace and are reminded of our Glorious and Sympathetic Priest.

Perseverance is not some secret works-based salvation. It is allowing God to work in us that which is well pleasing in His sight (Phil. 2:12-13). May Christ be our focus and our stay. May God help us all to press on and grow to love Jesus more.

For further helpful links on this subject, I refer you to the previous post.AddThis Social Bookmark Button

Man-Centered Christianity (part 4)

previously in this series–part 1, part 2, “The Sinner’s Prayer Problem” (part 3)

In the posts above, I have introduced the problem of Man- centered Christianity, and begun exploring how the problem became so widespread in the American evangelical Church today. Part 3 was an aside, focusing on the problem of the “sinner’s prayer”–a method which has contributed in part to the problem of man-centeredness in Christianity. Before I continue, it might be good to review what it is I’m addressing in these posts.

Much like the problem of going to church for ourselves, man-centeredness results in a blurring of the distinction between the church and the world. God is important, church is my thing, but my life is, well my life.

I read the following quote in John Piper’s book The Legacy of Sovereign Joy (pg. 118):

“I suddenly saw that someone could use all the language of evangelical Christianity, and yet the center was fundamentally the self, my need of salvation. And God is auxiliary to that….I also saw that quite a lot of evangelical Christianity can easily slip, can become centered in me and my need of salvation, and not in the glory of God.” “” quoted in Tim Stafford, “God’s Missionary to Us” , Christianity Today, Dec. 9, 1996.

When church is all about us, that’s a problem. And today, the Bible has become a guidebook on how we can have a great life. Church is important, but not particularly vital. It’s sort of an optional extra which adds benefit to your life, but sometimes the cost can be a pain.

Theologically, God loves us, because we are so important and special to Him. That’s why Jesus died for all, He had to do what he could for us, you know.

How did we get here?

In part, the sinner’s prayer and other techniques for getting people to receive Christ are to blame. Of course many have legitimately been saved using these methods, but the methods subtly shift the focus from God to man. Whereas in the past evangelists majored on declaring the gospel faithfully, and letting the Holy Spirit work, today we encourage people to do something: pray a prayer, walk an aisle, etc. Then we pronounce them saved.

This leads me to today’s post: the common understanding of eternal security has contributed to this problem. Once saved, always saved–this idea has helped further the inordinate focus on man in today’s Church.

Here’s how it goes. A preacher attracts someone into the church by highlighting how Jesus can add purpose to their life. He gets the convert to settle his guilt problem and his anxiety over a possible eternity in Hell by promising the convert full salvation if he only prays the sinner’s prayer. After jumping through that hoop, the convert is then told he can never lose salvation. It’s free, and God’s not a liar.

The convert then is exhorted as to his obligations to love and follow God, because of all God did for him. So a dutiful following of Jesus often happens. And since worship is fun [or maybe the people are], the convert may stay around a while. Of course since, the convert’s personal value was what made the gospel important, so its natural for him to expect the other messages of the church to practically benefit his life and help him. However, the convert may eventually lose interest in church, or fall out of sorts with this or that friend. Since God wasn’t central, its easy to not look back–especially since the convert, if he knows anything, knows he has “fire insurance”.

Because security is taken for granted, the convert has no need to continue believing and trusting Jesus. He may love Jesus because of how he feels now; but with a change of feeling, the love might vanish as well. What God wants, and who God is, is sort of removed from the convert’s experience. He might learn to appreciate God’s perspective, but ultimately his own personal interests matter most.

Now I must make myself clear: the above scenario often does not happen. Often those who hold to this idea of eternal security still go on to live holy lives with genuine love for Christ. Many of these people are not man-centered at all.

Still, this understanding is wrong. The idea that just praying a prayer makes you eternally secure if very wrong. And if you’ve ever talked to backslidden converts, you will hear that they subscribe to this view. Even preachers have said that there’s nothing you can do once saved, to lose your salvation. And this can overtly encourage a very licentious lifestyle.

So, “eternal security” is wrong???

No, I’m not saying that true believers aren’t eternally secure. Don’t get me wrong, please. I am saying that the historic belief of the orthodox Church does not jive with a “once saved, always saved” (OSAS) mentality. Historically, emphasis has been on the perseverance of the saints not on their preservation. The saints are preserved, but all true saints, will persevere–they will not finally fall away.

The problem with OSAS is that it flies in the face of such clear Biblical warnings as:

  • “He has now reconciled [you]… in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard…” (Col. 1:22-23)
  • “…the gospel… which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you–unless you believed in vain.” (1 Cor. 15:1-2)
  • “…and we are his house if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.” (Heb. 3:6)
  • “Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God…For we share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.” (Heb. 3:12, 14)
  • If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples.” (Jn. 8:31b)
  • “But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” (Mk. 13:13b)
  • “For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” (Rom. 8:13)
  • “…in due season we will reap [eternal life (see 6:8)], if we do not give up.” (Gal. 6:9)
  • “Strive for… the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.” (Heb. 12:14)
  • “faith apart from works is dead” and “can that faith save him?” (James 2:26 with 2:14)
  • “And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end, so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.” (Heb. 6:11-12)
  • “…they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.” (Luke 8:13b)

The last verse above coupled with 1 Thess. 3:5, teach that faith might not last. 1 Cor. 15:2 teaches that belief could be in vain. Jesus warned against those who professed to know Christ but didn’t in Matt. 7:21-23, and he testified to the need for perseverance to the end in Luke 21:34-36. This is why the Scripture encourages us to “examine [ourselves], to see whether [we] are in the faith” (2 Cor. 13:5a) and to “make our calling and election sure” (2 Pet. 1:10).

I have more to say on this important point, and I’ll come back to it in the next post. I will leave you with a few earlier posts of mine which will help you understand what exactly I’m saying, and why I think it is Biblical.

Also, this external link, provides some excellent reasons why God would put such warnings in Scripture, even though all of the elect will certainly persevere (John 10:27-30, 1 Pet. 1:3-5).

Man-Centered Christianity (part 2)

** first read part 1

Jesus is our buddy, and God is our friend. Christ is hip, and church is cool. This sentiment is alive and well in today’s American Christianity, along with: God has a special plan for your life. You are very special to Him.

The problem with the Church today is that we are using God. Like Aladdin, we depend on our genie to help us live a meaningful and happy life. Afraid of hell, or guilty over sin? Pray a prayer, and Jesus takes care of it. Worry on the job, stress in your family situation? The Bible has the answer, its God’s guidebook for life. Longing for true acceptance and love? No one loves you like Jesus does! In the church we all love each other and look out for one another.

It takes a trained eye, but do you see how the above concerns all center around self and self-esteem? Perhaps its no wonder, then, that Jesus is also offered among evangelicals today, as one who can guarantee that you will get what you want, that you will get rich, that you will prosper, or that you will be healed.

How did we get here? Man-Centered Methodology including the Sinner’s Prayer

I suppose that there have always been such errors in the Church, after all we are human. But with the rise of the revivalist movement in the 1800s, an emphasis was placed on crafting evangelistic appeals tailored to the likes and dislikes of the audience. Charles Finney invented the altar call, and appealed to the human free will to come forward and make a commitment to Christ. Later evangelists continued to employ pragmatic methods in a largely parachurch context as they drew ever larger crowds together in large mass meetings around the country, and the world.

The pledge a new convert would make eventually was replaced by a prayer. And under Billy Sunday, the prayer was changed into the modern “sinner’s prayer”. Never before in the history of the church had such a method been used. Now sinners were directed to pray for personal salvation, rather than given counsel and encouraged to believe and thereafter commit/pledge to follow Christ with all their being. This subtle change in methodology, like the many that preceded, became a new tradition that bound countless evangelists and ministers for generations to follow.

From a personal prayer for salvation, the “sinner’s prayer” became employed en masse. Crowds were instructed to repeat this prayer if they wanted to be saved. And then came the religious tracts, which today overwhelmingly call for a prayer to be repeated. These prayers have given assurance to thousands, and have transformed our modern view of salvation.

While Scripture speaks of those who are “being saved”, most evangelicals view salvation in the past tense. While past evangelists exhorted converts to continue steadfastly in the faith, modern-day converts are promised that even the most damaging sins will not result in the loss of your salvation — the salvation they “received” upon their just completed recitation of the “sinner’s prayer”. Today, multitudes struggle over whether they “said the right words”, or truly “meant it”. And assurance is often given based on Rom. 10:13 and whether the person remembers a “time and a place” when they accepted Christ.

Whereas before converts would often come from churches where they had heard countless Scriptural sermons, and been given personal Scriptural counseling, before finally coming to repentance, today’s converts are given a few (often very few) verses, ripped from their context and strung together in the form of a “Roman’s Road”, or “The Four Spiritual Laws”. Earnest and biblical preaching has sometimes been turned into a well-crafted psychological appeal. Often times seekers are manipulated into just “trying” the prayer, or giving Jesus “a test drive”. In some fundamentalist circles, almost any means is employed to get people to repeat the magical, soul-saving, prayer — including putting a foot in people’s doors so they can’t shut it and so they have to hear the soul-winner’s quick appeal to pray this prayer.

Hold on a second, Bob! Where’s your proof, and aren’t you exaggerating a bit here? I knew someone was thinking that. You were, weren’t you?

In the next few days I will be reviewing a book which offers some historical background and proof for many of my assertions here. I’ll even be having a book give away (so stay tuned!). But at this point, I should insert a caveat. I do not think, that a “sinner’s prayer” experience is necessarily void of any merit. I think countless believers started believing in Christ right around the time they prayed that first prayer. The prayer didn’t save them, faith did; and the prayer was merely a vehicle by which to express their faith.

Problems with the “Sinner’s Prayer”

But at the same time I see some serious problems with this methodology. The “sinner’s prayer” can lead people to trust in an act they did as a means of salvation. They are saved because they prayed and did their part of Rom. 10:13 — they “called”, so God has to “save”. But salvation is not a mere transaction. And often the prayer is merely a recognition that you believe certain facts — the Gospel facts. No one is saved by believing facts, people must repent and trust Jesus alone for salvation.

Further, a “sinner’s prayer” gives people a false hope. Assurance is tied to the act, not to faith. And beyond that, it fosters a point-in-time prevailing view of salvation. It does not encourage people to take seriously the many Biblical warnings for those who do not persevere in faith.

And lastly, the “sinner’s prayer” fosters a self-orientation and a man-centered view of Christianity. Because God died to save people, people are important. I am important. My needs were met by God, so I should thank him and live for him. But still everything centers around me, even God is bowing down to serve me, having done all He could to save my soul.

Looks like these posts are turning into a series. Next time, I will discuss the theology of the “sinner’s prayer”, and Bible arguments against it. Then I will get into a Biblical view of eternal security/perseverance. And finally, Lord willing, I will explain what a God-centered Christianity looks like.AddThis Social Bookmark Button